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Update : Tool has changed. v1.90beta is up.

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It might not be useful for a lot of people, might even not be useful for anyone, but anyway...


The purpose of this tool is to make the creation of ARDS pointer code 'easier' (even if there nothing hard in doing it manually). It is for people who hack their codes and :
- Created 'standart' codes, and found out later that a pointer is used/needed (because the codes stopped working when progressing in the game), and don't want to 'convert' dozen of codes manually.
- Created 'standart' codes while knowing a pointer is needed, but don't want to loose time writing all the pointer code lines when a tool can do it for them.

You MUST know what you're doing when using that tool, else the outputed codes will not work.

Here is how to use it :
You enter in the left memo the codes you made.
You enter in the bottom edit boxes : the address where the pointer address is stored, and the value of the pointer address (watch out : the value of the pointer address must be taken while being on the same level/place/screen used to create the standart codes, else the pointer codes won't likely work).
You push the 'Go !' button.

It supports converting ARDS code type 0, 1, 2, E from 'standart' to 'pointer'.
Also, seperate your different codes with a non-code line (ie. blank line, name of code line...). All codes lines that are sticked together will be 'detected' as one code.


Update x : v1.90beta is up. Corrected some bugs, renamed 'distance' to 'maximum offset'.


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Oh cool, nice idea Kenobi! :D

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Updated the tool, and also renamed it to 'ARDS Pointer codes Tool'.
There is now another tab in the proggy, which will make the program search pointers for you.
For this, you need :
2 FULL ram dumps taken at different places (ex : level1, level2).
2 addresses (ex : amo address on level1 = 0x021d8f90 ; amo on level2 = 0x021C8648).

And that's all. The program will scan the files to search for all the possible pointers, and will also copy the data of the most 'accurate' pointer in the first tab (so you'll just have to enter the code data in there).

You can also put a code type in the addresses (it'll then be used for the ARDS pointer code creation in the first tab).

And, for the info, the program will always assume that the base address of the ram dump is (code address and $0f000000) (that's why you need full ram dumps !).


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Very nice little project you have here.

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Thanks !

Just corrected some small bugs (I wasn't freeing the files once the search was done).
Also speeded up a bit the search by loading the data into a tmemorystream.


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Thanks Kenobi!! I could not help but think our discussion in pointer finding the other day had something to do with this...well...it is very welcome by me since I still firmly believe the search for a pointer can be more definitive in the process. Merci!!!


Postscript: THIS IS FANTASTIC!!! I repeated the process we had for the two file dumps from Star Wars Lethal Alliance...and in under 2 minutes I had the final AR DS code in my hand. No guessing...no expanding searches...no hex workshop to compare possible suspects....this is just utterly too good to put into words...you did good my friend!!! I agree fully with you that you still must understand and know what the hell you are doing as far as the concept of a pointer and what code type you want to create. The smallest detail must be adhered to...including the XOR3 to go from the 32 bit to 8 bit code type...as well as assigning the code type to the address header and adding the 0x02000000 for the code offset.

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This whole thread makes me happy! :D

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woot woot, good job


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Upgraded to v1.60, for some kinda useless changes...

The proggy now allows the search in these cases :
- Only one ram dump (in file 1) and one code (in address 1) avaible .
- Two ram dumps, but only one code (in address 1) avaible.

Of course, these search will display more possible results. That's just in case you don't wanna/can't make another ram dump, or you don't wanna/can't search for the code a second time in the next level. These searches should be unused, and might not find the good result at all... Only a 2 files/2 codes search will almost garantee you to find the good pointer address (unless the games does some funky stuff with the pointer, or uses a pointer in pointer).

Edit : OOps, Macrox just told me I forgot to clear the codes I entered in the edit fields (for testing purpose). I'll remove them and make it 1.61 this evening...


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sorry to bother you kenobi, but I have a question. Do I need to find all possible addresses and put them ALL in the box on the left. And if so, how does this save time from witting all of the addresses? If I am confused on how your App works, please correct me. (I do know what a pointer so no need to explain that. just not sure to do with the pointer and value to get my AR codes I guess)


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Now that you have your pointer you can go back to the first tab and fill the codes in the boxes in the bottom right corner. Put your changing code if the left box and press go.

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Dualscreenman wrote:
Now that you have your pointer you can go back to the first tab and fill the codes in the boxes in the bottom right corner. Put your changing code if the left box and press go.


what code is the 'changing code in the left box' would that be the address form the first or second dump? or both?

EDIT: oh, you use the first dump address right? I cannot test the code thats why I want to know If I am correct.


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Doesn't really matter which code you use.

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Actually, the program will automatically copy the 'best matching' pointer code in the boxes in the bottom right corner of the fist tab.
Then, all you have to do is to put your codes in the left edit (separate different codes with an empty line*), and press the 'go !' button in the first tab.

However, if the code created this way doesn't work properly (ie. stops working on level 2, or level 3), that'll mean the 'best matching' pointer found by the proggy is wrong, and you'll need to choose a new one manually. So you might want to test another result shown in the 2nd tab. The results are in the form XXXXXXXX:YYYYYYYY. Copy the XXXXXXXX in the 'pointer address location', YYYYYYYY in the 'pointer address value', copy your normal code(s) in the left edit, and press the 'go !' button in the first tab.

* an empty line, or anything that isn't a code
if you life code is :
02020000 00000063
02020004 00000063
and you munition code is :
02020008 00000063

you should put the code that way :
Code:
02020000 00000063
02020004 00000063

02020008 00000063


or that way :
Code:
infinite lives
02020000 00000063
02020004 00000063
infinite munitions
02020008 00000063


I might add that this program is only useful to people that need to use pointer codes, ie. people who find codes that work on a level, but stop working on another level. It'll be a confusing/useless proggy for anyone else.

However, if you actually need to create a pointer code, please post more infos (which codes do you have already found, what game are you hacking) so I can provide more specific informations on how to use the program in your case.

Btw, v1.61 was posted some hours ago (fix the 'already filled address boxes in the second tab' problem).


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[NDS] 0324 - Age of Empires - The Age of Kings (U)

ADDRESSES:
Code:
Inf Money (First Dump)
02347180

Inf Money (Second Dump)
02347544

(I did my search with the 1.61)
The addresses do change, even when loading the same level twice in a row. I only got ONE result in the pointer search (02386E20:02342DFC) and did use little endian. The app automatically placed the 'best result' in for me and also the address from the first dump (02347180) so I went ahead and added the value on the address and clicked go. This is what I got
Code:
62386E20 00000000
B2386E20 00000000
00004384 0001869F
D2000000 00000000


I understand that this code will get the value of the pointer (In the first dumps case: 02342DFC) and store it in the offset. Then 4384+offset = 02347180 which is the address for the money in dump one. Do I need to add more codes in the left box (like the second dumps address) or is this exactly what I needed to do? I posted this code in the game hacking thread and asked that it be tested So I will let you know if it works when I know.
EDIT: think it works, i checked the pointer in the emulator and added the value + 0x4384 and got the right address


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That is exactly what you need to do.

If you put the second dump's address in the box, you'd find it would give you the same code as the first dump's address.

Now I need a bit of help here. I have this moonjump:
Code:
Moonjump
94000130 FFFD0000
62105f88 00000000
B2105f88 00000000
20000055 00000099
d2000000 00000000


I'd like to check a dynamic address to see if I am jumping or falling, and then execute the Y speed mod only when I am falling.
I found the address of jumping/falling stat, but I need to check it then execute if it equals 2.
I think I need one of the AR hacks, but I don't know how to implement the offset with them.

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are you saying you found an address that equals 2 when you are falling? if so, you would only need to check if that address is == 2 (through your pointer) and then execute your speed mod. post the addresses and descriptions for them that you have (speed address, jumping/falling stat address, pointer) and I will see if I can put it together and explain it. It may also be easier to use the ASM hack as it is more flexible in how you can handle your addresses / values.


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Moonjump with pointer
62105f88 00000000
B2105f88 00000000
20000055 00000099
22000000 00000000

Jumping/falling stat with pointer
62105F80 00000000
B2105F80 00000000
200000F8 00000000
D2000000 00000000

0 == jumping, 2 == falling

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Never ever, ever use a pointer that resides in high memory (anything above 0x02280000, or so) if you can avoid it. Because this is DEEP in the NDS ARM9 arena, which is where the game dynamically allocates memory. More than likely, it's data allocated from the top of the arena. Any data in this area is subject to moving around often, or even vanishing completely in many cases.

DSman: Why is the pointer that you used 8-bytes off between those two codes? That can't be right! (You will probably want to use some of the weird code types that utilize the 'offset' to get this to work. Or screw it! Use assembly.)

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Hmm, I don't know why those two are off. I'll look into it. I don't know assembly, so I guess somebody will have to document the weird codetypes. :(

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Dualscreenman wrote:
Moonjump with pointer
62105f88 00000000
B2105f88 00000000
20000055 00000099
D2000000 00000000

Jumping/falling stat with pointer
62105F80 00000000
B2105F80 00000000
200000F8 00000000
D2000000 00000000

0 == jumping, 2 == falling


Ok, try this then. assuming your pointer WONT move on you, this could work.
1)your address for whether or not you are falling should be the word at [02105F80] + 0xF8
2)you only want the speed mod on if the word at [02105F80] + 0xF8 == 2

Try this
Code:
62105f88 00000000 ----
B2105f88 00000000       Moonjump code
20000055 00000099
D2000000 00000000----
023FE2B4 E1D320B0 - offset support for the type '9' code
023FE2B8 E1E03004 - offset support for the type '9' code
62105F80 00000000 - make sure pointer != 0
B2105F80 00000000 - load the pointers value into the offset
900000F8 00000002 test address 0xFB + offset (jumping/falling stat) for 2
xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx - if true execute the Y speed mod
D0000000 00000000 - end test for jump/fall stat == 2
900000F8 00000000 test address 0xFB + offset (jumping/falling stat) for 0
xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx - if true disable the Y speed mod
D0000000 00000000 - end test for jump/fall stat == 0
D2000000 00000000 - end all, clear offset
023FE2B4 E1E03004 - offset support OFF for the type '9' code
023FE2B8 E1D020B0  - offset support OFF for the type '9' code


Hope this works.


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What goes in the xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx's?
20000055 00000099
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200000F8 00000000?

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Parasyte wrote:
DSman: Why is the pointer that you used 8-bytes off between those two codes? That can't be right!


It could be right, because Age of Empires [NDS] has a pointer I use for food and money, but another pointer for the units info. The unit info is loaded in a way I cannot believe though :? the units don't increment the same between them. I created several units to only have their data scattered + 0x2C6 for one unit, + 0x110 the next unit and so on. But, they keep the weird increments the same even when the pointer value changes. anyway....kinda wondered off topic.


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Dualscreenman wrote:
What goes in the xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx's?
20000055 00000099
and
200000F8 00000000?


I dont know what your speed mod code is so the first set of XXXX is the code to enable your speed mod and the second set is the code that sets the speed back to normal


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Ok, heres the fixed one. Try this instead of ^^ that
Code:
94000130 XXXX0000 - Edit your own joker
023FE2B4 E1D320B0 - offset support for the type '9' code
023FE2B8 E1E03004 - offset support for the type '9' code
62105f88 00000000 - make sure pointer value != 0
B2105f88 00000000 - load pointer to offset
900000F8 00000002 - test address 0xFB + offset (jumping/falling stat) for 2
20000055 00000099 - speed mod on
D0000000 00000000 - end test for 0xFB + offset (jumping/falling stat) = 2
900000F8 00000000 - test address 0xFB + offset (jumping/falling stat) for 0
20000055 000000xx - speed mod off (replace xx with the value you need)
D0000000 00000000 - end test for 0xFB + offset (jumping/falling stat) = 2
023FE2B4 E1E03004 - offset support OFF for the type '9' code
023FE2B8 E1D020B0  - offset support OFF for the type '9' code
D2000000 00000000 - end joker, clear offset


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I will test this later and give you partial credit. Thanks. ^_^

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This Age of Empires (U) game uses pointer(s) in pointer(s)... (and might use them in a very complicated way). And my tool is kinda useless for these cases.

In such cases, I believe some asm hack work better...
I just used no$gba, set some bpr on the money value, another bpr on the pointer, and I found where the game was actually loading the money. Then I just made a code to change the ldr to a str, and that's all...

This gives :

Code:
Press/release L to replenish money*
020A3700 05914384
94000130 FDFF0000
020A3700 05811384
D0000000 00000000

(*the game will show 0 money while the button is pressed)


This is 'quick and dirty', means it might (will) give money to everyone, so you might not want to give infinite money to your enemy... (ie. not press L when it's not your turn).

Edit : Indeed, this cheat will work in multiplayer for everyone. Not sure about the npc ennemy.

Or one could also use this code to give 0 money to the active player :

Code:
Press/release R to give 0 money
020A3700 05914384
94000130 FEFF0000
020A3700 05813384
D0000000 00000000



Making use of normal codes is still possible, but they'll be quite big (compared to the asm code).
For exemple (not tested, not sure if it'll work properly - these codes kinda reproduce what the game is doing (it's missing another check though)).

Code:
94000130 XXXX0000
023FE2B4 E1D320B0 - offset support for the type '9' code
023FE2B8 E1E03004 - offset support for the type '9' code
621C2894 00000000 - make sure pointer value != 0
B2105F80 00000000 - load the pointers value into the offset
DC000000 00000088 - adds 0x88 to the offset (= pointer2)
90000008 FFFFFFFF - if [offset+8<>0xffffffff]
90000000 00000000 - test is value != 0
B0000000 00000000 - loads pointer2 in offset
90000378 00000000 - if [pointer2+0x378] !=0
DC000000 00004384 - adds 0x4384 to pointer 2
00000000 YYYYYYYY - YYYYYYYY = money value
D2000000 00000000


And the last (and more accurate) solution would be to create an asm routine that will mimic what the game is doing when accessing to the money value. However, it'll be quite big too, so I still believe the 'quick and dirty asm hacks' are better for these cases...


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I already found the pointer and used it for money and food:
Code:
Inf Money
62386E20 00000000
B2386E20 00000000
00004384 0001869F
D2000000 00000000

Inf Food
62386E20 00000000
B2386E20 00000000
0000438C 0001869F
D2000000 00000000


The units aren't like I expected though I expected to be able to add a constant offset to each address to get the next but they are all scattered.

ALSO: I cannot load this game in No$gba 2.3d or do breakpoints. I assume thats the debug version :/ I may buy that...


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You found a pointer that moves in memory. (See my last post for a more technical explanation.)

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